Gundam Retal
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Post by Gundam Retal on Oct 2, 2003 17:46:04 GMT -5
Ok, Ace, let's do this one last time. No more ties, no more playing fair or holding ourselfs to some form of honorable standard. ONE of us, don't really care which (though I'd prefer me) will win this battle.
I am using the brand-spanking new Gundam Cerebus, with the Cerebus Wing attatchment, and our battleground is the Grand Canyon and it's surrounding deserts. You may have the first move.
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Post by Black Ace on Oct 3, 2003 16:24:15 GMT -5
*The Funf comes to the battlefield*
Retal, what kind of monster have you created? That things made for space, not the atmosphere. All that weaponry will simply weight you down.
Cerebus will be too slow.
We'll be able to fly circles around you, Retal. This is the end.
*Ace kicks in the Funf's hover traction. The Funf floats above the ground, poised for incredibly high-speed combat*
Now, let's see what that thing can do...
*Ace lifts his Bazooka and fires one round from it, then starts moving backward*
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Gundam Retal
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Post by Gundam Retal on Oct 4, 2003 8:50:50 GMT -5
*The Funf comes to the battlefield* Retal, what kind of monster have you created? That things made for space, not the atmosphere. All that weaponry will simply weight you down. Cerebus will be too slow.We'll be able to fly circles around you, Retal. This is the end. *Ace kicks in the Funf's hover traction. The Funf floats above the ground, poised for incredibly high-speed combat* Now, let's see what that thing can do... *Ace lifts his Bazooka and fires one round from it, then starts moving backward* OOC: I can't design anything of any quality. You people see it as God suits or simply playing dishonorably. But whatever, let's end this, Ace. IC: Retal sees the bazooka round coming at him. Retal raises the shield, opens it, and toasts the shot with a beam blast before it even got close. Amuro's presence made itself kown to Retal's mind. Shall I activate the Wing?No. I want Ace to continue underestimating the capabilities of the Cerebus. Obviously, he didn't read the combat capabilities of my suit very well. It's a sign of arrogance when someone does not take the time to read over the available battle data on an opponent... Retal thought in reply. He quickly snapped his thoughts to where they should be, drew one of his two shotguns, pumped it, and fired off a shot just off to the left of Ace's right leg. Then, he backed off as well, waiting for Ace to come in closer... You are not a close-combat warrior. You specialize in ranged and tactical combat. You are going against your instincts by using this suit."I know. But I keep losing because I get in close to Ace and he fires off his multi-accursed bazooka or slashes me with his heat sword to end our battles in a draw. Not this time. I'm tired of tying. And since he obviously underestimated us this time, I intend to give him a surprise he will not soon forget..." Retal said outloud with a smile... |
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Post by Black Ace on Oct 4, 2003 10:01:57 GMT -5
*Ace strafes right in a 60 degree ark, causing the Shotgun blast to fly right by him*
Those shotguns may cause a problem for us
Don't worry about them. They're not as bad as Funnels, and once he activates his Wing, he'll have that almost-as-annoying Beam Cannon. The problem is that a suit like that is obviously made for long-range combat. Long-range combat doesn't truly depend on firepower, just how fast you are. He can't hit what he can't catch, even if he can go 2.2 Gs. That kind of speed would make him rocket right past me, leaving me with a clear shot at his back. Of course, there's the Beam Barriers, but he has to lower those to fire. And it says nothing in the Suit's stats that the Barriers cover the MS's back, meaning that if I got behind him he'd probably be vulnerable.
*Ace smiles*
The weakness of this suit is speed, and I intend to exploit that weakness...
*Ace continues in the arc, swinging around the other 140 degrees to get behind Retal*
Let's see how your suit performs to a threat behind you...
*Ace levels his Bazooka off right at the Cerebus' back. he then fires two Shells at him*
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Gundam Retal
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Post by Gundam Retal on Oct 4, 2003 10:20:38 GMT -5
*Ace strafes right in a 60 degree ark, causing the Shotgun blast to fly right by him* Those shotguns may cause a problem for usDon't worry about them. They're not as bad as Funnels, and once he activates his Wing, he'll have that almost-as-annoying Beam Cannon. The problem is that a suit like that is obviously made for long-range combat. Long-range combat doesn't truly depend on firepower, just how fast you are. He can't hit what he can't catch, even if he can go 2.2 Gs. That kind of speed would make him rocket right past me, leaving me with a clear shot at his back. Of course, there's the Beam Barriers, but he has to lower those to fire. And it says nothing in the Suit's stats that the Barriers cover the MS's back, meaning that if I got behind him he'd probably be vulnerable. *Ace smiles* The weakness of this suit is speed, and I intend to exploit that weakness... *Ace continues in the arc, swinging around the other 140 degrees to get behind Retal* Let's see how your suit performs to a threat behind you... *Ace levels his Bazooka off right at the Cerebus' back. he then fires two Shells at him* OOC: Ace, my worthy foe, you need to learn how to read: If you want to live, do not argue the fact that this is Semi-Private Use, depending on final decisions about it's EXAM system.Model Number: PYMX-00 Code Name: Gundam Cerebus Unit Type: Prototype EXAM-use close-assault mobile suit Manufacturer: Pandoran Yards Operator: White Star Fleet, Alpha Blue Division Rollout: UC 0096 Propulsion: Rocket thrusters: 2x 80,000 kg, 4x 20,000 kg; vernier thrusters/apogee motors: 16 (30 w/Cerebus Wing); thermonuclear jet thrustersPerformance: Maximum thruster acceleration 2.2 G, The Cerebus has the same hover capabilities that you do. Just as the Retaliation does. I've just chosen not to use them for now. IC: Retal sensed Ace moving in behind him. Even before Amuro's warning reached him. Behind! The Wing?"No! Save it for later! This is nothing!" Retal shouts, already halfway into his countermove. Retal lifted the right leg of the suit up and to the side and fired its thruster, leaning the Cerebus backwards to the left. Then he fired his backpack rockets, narrowly missing the first shell, and the second he took down with vulcan fire. Retal pumped the shotgun again and fired off a round at the Dom, leaping his Ms to the left and pumping in another shot as he waited... Why do you delay? You have the capability to take him down, so do so!"Not yet. His Funf is no threat. None at all. It's only him I'm worried about. And within a few moments, Ace will have defeated himself, then I show him what the Cerebus is capable of..." |
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Post by Black Ace on Oct 4, 2003 10:42:32 GMT -5
OOC: Ace, my worthy foe, you need to learn how to read: The Cerebus has the same hover capabilities that you do. Just as the Retaliation does. I've just chosen not to use them for now. IC: Retal sensed Ace moving in behind him. Even before Amuro's warning reached him. Behind! The Wing?"No! Save it for later! This is nothing!" Retal shouts, already halfway into his countermove. Retal lifted the right leg of the suit up and to the side and fired its thruster, leaning the Cerebus backwards to the left. Then he fired his backpack rockets, narrowly missing the first shell, and the second he took down with vulcan fire. Retal pumped the shotgun again and fired off a round at the Dom, leaping his Ms to the left and pumping in another shot as he waited... Why do you delay? You have the capability to take him down, so do so!"Not yet. His Funf is no threat. None at all. It's only him I'm worried about. And within a few moments, Ace will have defeated himself, then I show him what the Cerebus is capable of..." (OOC: Not even Hover Traction can keep something that heavy in the air for long. If a Dom had a Cannon like the Zaku Cannon's, the Jet Thrusters wouldn't support it. It wouldn't be balanced correctly. The Xamel had four Jet Thrusters just to keep it up. My Funf has two. With a suit like that, two Jet Thruster would only scorch the ground beneath your feet. You'd get nowhere on them. And, your output doesn't even nearly support all of your weapons. The Nu Gundam's output is 2980 kW. That's still greater than the output your MS puts out. Sure, it had Funnels, but with you having 4x heat Rods, 8x Grappling Cables, A 3 MW Beam Cannon/ 2 MW Beam Shield Generator that swivels (with the Cerebus Wing), 2x Hyper Beam Swords at 1 MW, 2x 80,000 kg, 4x 20,000 kg Rocket Thrusters, AND[/u][/b] Thermonuclear Jet Thrusters, I'd say you should've beaten it in the output race by a long shot. THAT is why people say that your suits are God Suits. You can't maintain all those weapons.) |
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Gundam Retal
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Post by Gundam Retal on Oct 4, 2003 10:55:52 GMT -5
(OOC: Not even Hover Traction can keep something that heavy in the air for long. If a Dom had a Cannon like the Zaku Cannon's, the Jet Thrusters wouldn't support it. It wouldn't be balanced correctly. The Xamel had four Jet Thrusters just to keep it up. My Funf has two. With a suit like that, two Jet Thruster would only scorch the ground beneath your feet. You'd get nowhere on them. And, your output doesn't even nearly support all of your weapons. The Nu Gundam's output is 2980 kW. That's still greater than the output your MS puts out. Sure, it had Funnels, but with you having 4x heat Rods, 8x Grappling Cables, A 3 MW Beam Cannon/ 2 MW Beam Shield Generator that swivels (with the Cerebus Wing), 2x Hyper Beam Swords at 1 MW, 2x 80,000 kg, 4x 20,000 kg Rocket Thrusters, AND[/u][/b] Thermonuclear Jet Thrusters, I'd say you should've beaten it in the output race by a long shot. THAT is why people say that your suits are God Suits. You can't maintain all those weapons.)[/quote] OOC: Oh, yes I can. The Nu Gundam's fin funnels have their own reactors. The Nu Gundam was very overpowered considering the most its energy resources required was to power the hyper beam saber and one beam rifle. Most stats from CCA are. The Cerebus Wing has it's own generator, hence the reason why it's so heavy. The shield beam cannons also have their own e-caps, with enough power to fuel four shots per cannon. Beam sabers, as you know, operate on a plasma storage, which energy only being needed to maintain the I-field that keeps the plasma in place. It's not that much power. Once energy is charged up, the saber uses only that charge until it is expended or returned to it's slot to recharge. The energy output rating determines the cutting strength in comparson to a beam, not the power required to maintain it. Most of the Cerebus' generator power output IS devoted to its own thrusters and beam saber/cable weapon power system, Ace. The Cerebus Wing is an independant system, with it's own dedicated reactor, hence it's optional equip. I know that there is no way to fuel the Cerebus's Wing with just reactor on the Cerebus. A 60-ton reactor I would think would meet the Wing's energy requirements, considering it's limited to one barrage of a few single blasts or one constant shield projection at one time. Heat rods also do not drain that much energy. Not when they are not being used. Neither does grappling cables. And in any case, I never used my thermos in that move, Ace. Your move. |
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Post by Black Ace on Oct 4, 2003 11:24:50 GMT -5
OOC: Oh, yes I can. The Nu Gundam's fin funnels have their own reactors. The Nu Gundam was very overpowered considering the most its energy resources required was to power the hyper beam saber and one beam rifle. Most stats from CCA are. The Cerebus Wing has it's own generator, hence the reason why it's so heavy. The shield beam cannons also have their own e-caps, with enough power to fuel four shots per cannon. Beam sabers, as you know, operate on a plasma storage, which energy only being needed to maintain the I-field that keeps the plasma in place. It's not that much power. Once energy is charged up, the saber uses only that charge until it is expended or returned to it's slot to recharge. The energy output rating determines the cutting strength in comparson to a beam, not the power required to maintain it. Most of the Cerebus' generator power output IS devoted to its own thrusters and beam saber/cable weapon power system, Ace. The Cerebus Wing is an independant system, with it's own dedicated reactor, hence it's optional equip. I know that there is no way to fuel the Cerebus's Wing with just reactor on the Cerebus. A 60-ton reactor I would think would meet the Wing's energy requirements, considering it's limited to one barrage of a few single blasts or one constant shield projection at one time. Heat rods also do not drain that much energy. Not when they are not being used. Neither does grappling cables. And in any case, I never used my thermos in that move, Ace. Your move. (OOC: And it says where in your Suit's stats the Cerebus Wing has its own reactor?... Or that your Shield Beam Cannons run on E-Caps?... I also know that your Hyper Mega Beam Sabre's 1 MW stands for its cutting strength, but that must mean their I-Fields must be pretty big for a Sabre. Not only that, but an extra generator in the Cerebus Wing would only weight down your unit more. You can't change your profile whenever you feel like it, Retal. If you didn't say it had a reactor in the first place before the battle, it doesn't have one. The E-Caps? No mention. Doesn't have 'em. Sorry. I hereby declare this match dead. Come back when you can fight with a non-God Suit... and when you can go through a battle without changing a spec of your suit when something is disputed.) *Ace leaves the battleifeld* |
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Post by Gundam Retal on Oct 4, 2003 11:31:46 GMT -5
(OOC: And it says where in your Suit's stats the Cerebus Wing has its own reactor?... Or that your Shield Beam Cannons run on E-Caps?... I also know that your Hyper Mega Beam Sabre's 1 MW stands for its cutting strength, but that must mean their I-Fields must be pretty big for a Sabre. Not only that, but an extra generator in the Cerebus Wing would only weight down your unit more. You can't change your profile whenever you feel like it, Retal. If you didn't say it had a reactor in the first place before the battle, it doesn't have one. The E-Caps? No mention. Doesn't have 'em. Sorry. I hereby declare this match dead. Come back when you can fight with a non-God Suit... and when you can go through a battle without changing a spec of your suit when something is disputed.) *Ace leaves the battleifeld* I didn't change the specs of my suit, Ace. I don't have room to fully explain everything about my suit. The two-thousand character limit wasn't enough, I tried to fit the full profile of the Cerebus but the character limit stopped me from doing so. I also didn't include it in the tech specs because th e-caps were not the actual weapon. And the Cerebus Wing would have been listed as having two reactors. But fine, declare it dead. I'll just make sure next time to soothe your frailities and and waste ten posts explaining every last minute detail of what I incorperate into my MS. |
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Post by Black Ace on Oct 4, 2003 18:49:19 GMT -5
I didn't change the specs of my suit, Ace. I don't have room to fully explain everything about my suit. The two-thousand character limit wasn't enough, I tried to fit the full profile of the Cerebus but the character limit stopped me from doing so. I also didn't include it in the tech specs because th e-caps were not the actual weapon. And the Cerebus Wing would have been listed as having two reactors. But fine, declare it dead. I'll just make sure next time to soothe your frailities and and waste ten posts explaining every last minute detail of what I incorperate into my MS. Really? You had room to explain the full history of your suit, but not enough to say that the Cerebus Wing had a reactor? That's very interesting... |
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Post by Retal on Oct 6, 2003 7:27:56 GMT -5
Really? You had room to explain the full history of your suit, but not enough to say that the Cerebus Wing had a reactor? That's very interesting... It's very interesting that you would use such obviously flawed arguments. I left that detail out because I didn't think it needed to be spelled out to someone who supposedly is at the colledge level of education. No MS reactor could fuel what the Cerebus Wing does, especially not when it unleashes the full barage. It was obvious, at least to me, that it needed it's own power source. So I ommitted that detail, figuring it would be obvious knowledge. I don't have the time nor the inclination to spell everything out for you, Ace. |
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Post by Black Ace on Oct 6, 2003 16:23:13 GMT -5
It's very interesting that you would use such obviously flawed arguments. I left that detail out because I didn't think it needed to be spelled out to someone who supposedly is at the colledge level of education. No MS reactor could fuel what the Cerebus Wing does, especially not when it unleashes the full barage. It was obvious, at least to me, that it needed it's own power source. So I ommitted that detail, figuring it would be obvious knowledge. I don't have the time nor the inclination to spell everything out for you, Ace. Your argument is equally flawed. I know that a single reactor can't have that much power. I said as much, did I not? However, just because something seems to be evident to you does not mean that it's evident to everyone else. I'm not gonna know what card you have in your hand from a thousand miles away, am I? Was it obvious to Gene and Denim that Gundam could withstand Machine Gun fire? Was it obvious to Garma that Gundam could jump so high? Was it obvious to the CIA that 9-11 was gonna happen? No? Okay, then. Edit: Sorry I'm blowin' up. I'm pretty pissed off at just about everyone and everything right now. I've been really stressed out the past few days... |
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Gundam Retal
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Post by Gundam Retal on Oct 6, 2003 16:34:39 GMT -5
Your argument is equally flawed. I know that a single reactor can't have that much power. I said as much, did I not? However, just because something seems to be evident to you does not mean that it's evident to everyone else. I'm not gonna know what card you have in your hand from a thousand miles away, am I? Was it obvious to Gene and Denim that Gundam could withstand Machine Gun fire? Was it obvious to Garma that Gundam could jump so high? Was it obvious to the CIA that 9-11 was gonna happen? No? Okay, then. All I wanted was to test out the Cerebus, see if what weapons it had were the real way I wanted it to go. It's a prototype (hence the misspelling of Cerberus) intended to test the feasability of it's weapons system. Which is why I left the obvious out, and only included in the profile what I felt was neccessary. In the past, when I made my relatively simple White GM, I loaded it's profile with so much technical data that everyone thought it was the greatest thing since the Hi-Nu Gundam. It is not an experience I intend to repeat. And since you've ended the fight, I'll just go elsewhere to test it out. I have no interest in debating everything with you. Nor having to explain every minute detail of my suits. |
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Post by Black Ace on Oct 6, 2003 16:37:40 GMT -5
All I wanted was to test out the Cerebus, see if what weapons it had were the real way I wanted it to go. It's a prototype (hence the misspelling of Cerberus) intended to test the feasability of it's weapons system. Which is why I left the obvious out, and only included in the profile what I felt was neccessary. In the past, when I made my relatively simple White GM, I loaded it's profile with so much technical data that everyone thought it was the greatest thing since the Hi-Nu Gundam. It is not an experience I intend to repeat. And since you've ended the fight, I'll just go elsewhere to test it out. I have no interest in debating everything with you. Nor having to explain every minute detail of my suits. It would be better if you did in the first place. I've been pissed at everyone lately. I've been blowing up in everyone's face. Sorry. I really need a punching bag... Work's been pissing the Hell out of me... Hopefully I'll be in a better mood some other time... |
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Post by Gundam Retal on Oct 6, 2003 16:52:49 GMT -5
It would be better if you did in the first place. I've been pissed at everyone lately. I've been blowing up in everyone's face. Sorry. I really need a punching bag... Work's been pissing the Hell out of me... Hopefully I'll be in a better mood some other time... Perhaps I should have explained it all in the original post, but I don't feel like wasting five posts to explain everything on one suit. It just seems like a waste of space... Maybe some other time, Ace. We WILL have our decisive fight some day. Maybe it should be in standard Doms...  |
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