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Post by Libra on Nov 22, 2003 3:20:14 GMT -5
And to add on, in reality the right arm may have been severed from my suit. If your suit exploded, I'm sure the gundanium would be able to handle a close explosion like that due to the lack of prior damage. The scythe in your right arm, being extended, would have disengaged due to the lack of a signal from your suit as it is held, since there is no actual on/off switch on it like the trigger on many sabers, their design resembling that of a flashlight. If you had brought it forth to attack at the last moment, I did have my left arm out to block your right arm's movement.
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Post by Gundam Retal on Nov 22, 2003 9:40:14 GMT -5
Actually, I choose to let my opponent acknowledge that they are finished. I just feel that due to the proximity of both suits, and the fact that we both were charging, you wouldn't have been able to dodge my attack. Yes, you had your buster shield open and ready to impact with my torso, but I strafed to the side just enough to where when you thrusted, the center of your mobile suit lined up with my right arm, keeping the rest parralel. Due to the location of our shields, yours would have been on the arm opposite of the side I strafed to. And with the speed of two Deathscythes going head on, there would literally be NO time to really react. The speed of one charging would leave time to react, but two head on is a completely different story. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to admit defeat. Nope. You set yourself up for the fall, and I took my shot. By strafing to the left, you forced me to an off-center impact. I was committed to the ramming, that could not be changed, but there was still plenty of time to react, Libra. You forget, it took TIME for you to sidestep, and when I started that ramming maneuver, I was already within melee range. If you want to talk about lack of time, there would be little to no time for you to maneuver out of the way. Your apparently forgot that fact. As per your post, you made a sequence of events that clearly stated the buster shield was NOT launched until after you had positioned your left arm, which takes a second or two that would also comprise of the entire time it would take me to ram into you. My Deathscythe was hunched over, with your buster shield aimed for the cockpit, this meant that it would have to be pointed at a slightly downwards angle or else it would shoot clean off into empty air. When my suit impacted yours, the collision would have knocked you suit back and ruined the aim of your shot. And because of the off-center impact, this would swing my suit, causing your blade to tear through the flank, not the cockpit. Shread a machinecannon, arm, and leg? Definately. Defeat me? No. I don't think so. Your buster shield, going by the order of events in your own post, would not have been raised in time to avoid the ramming. And therefore, my last post still happens, Libra. And to add on, in reality the right arm may have been severed from my suit. If your suit exploded, I'm sure the gundanium would be able to handle a close explosion like that due to the lack of prior damage. The scythe in your right arm, being extended, would have disengaged due to the lack of a signal from your suit as it is held, since there is no actual on/off switch on it like the trigger on many sabers, their design resembling that of a flashlight. If you had brought it forth to attack at the last moment, I did have my left arm out to block your right arm's movement. Not really. Understand a slight reality of physics that applies here, Libra. If your own defense of your moves holds, in that I had no time to reply, then the same is true for you. You still had part of your suit within the path of my ramming. When it hit, due to the fact you were holding your position, my suit would actually fall under the path of your shield. And at the time of impact, the impact itself would swing the entirety of my Deathscythe around to my right (your left). Remember, Libra, I never cut off my thrusters, so my Deathscythe is actualy even now heading upwards due to my oversight in this. But even so, my move is still perfectly valid, proven yet more by your own defense. You sidestepped but did not move back. I kept coming from already close range. It would take me less than a second to nail you with my thrusters ignited. Then, you say you positioned your left arm to block my right arm, and then moved your shield into firing position. Now, if those two moves had occured one after the other, then there is no chance of your move even connecting. And if they had occured simultaneously (a feat impossible to coordinate effectively), I'd still be hitting you just as your shield was brought to bear. And, due to momentum and several other factors in the way you set yourself up for collision, the impact of my suit on yours you throw your shield arm back and to the side, along with knocking over the rest of your suit to my left (your right). This was just physics, Libra. With something the size of MS, considering I had my thrusters active and you did not, there is no way your shield is going through my cockpit. Technically, your shield should have missed totally, but I gave you the critical damge to the right torso and leg. Sorry Libra, but this is one attempted kill move that is too impossible not to avoid for me to accept. I know you love Deathscythes, but that move simply had no chance of actually working like you had hoped. Your own maneuver took up too much time, and you underestimate the effects ramming has on an object...
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Post by Libra on Nov 27, 2003 0:30:46 GMT -5
...and where did I state that I fired my buster sheild? I didn't. I guided it to your torso with it still attached to my arm. That's why I'm saying that at most it would have been torn off. I refuse to argue with you about this any further, you're just pulling out excuses and shit so you can try to keep whatever pride you still have. When I sidestepped I proceeded to put my right arm and buster shield into your torso. There was no contact prior to that between the two suits, so you can't use your little sissy bullshit excuse that my suit would have off centered your impact. If anything, I negated any chance of you damaging me before I struck you. Admit it, you fell to me in battle. And while we're at it, I'll tell you something. When you are a young teen, you really don't know everything. I didn't fall into that belief, I understood from the start that I wasn't invincible and that I didn't know everything. So get that out of your mind before you start crying about how I didn't kill you again.
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Post by Gundam Retal on Nov 28, 2003 21:08:50 GMT -5
As it punches, it ignites its thrusters to increase the damage of impact, and make the chance of survival nearly impossible* Notice the IT, Libra. How do I know which you meant? You could have meantthe buster shield, and have convieniently now changed it so that you meant the buster shield thrusters didn't fire and that the Deathscythe's thruster's didn't. You didn't make that clear, and so convientiently, it would appear that I misinterprated your move. But appearances can be decieving. You said your buster shield was 'punched' forward, then in this, you said as IT punched forward, which by the terminology implies the buster shield, nothng else. Very easy to be confused by. Looks more like you failed to clairify a post, then again, you might -as I noted above- decided to change the meaning of your post to accomodate your desire to finally beat me. But even so, the physics DO NOT back you up. You move still would not kill me Libra. I was too damn close, and I'm not admiting a defeat that wouldn't happen to any logical degree. This battle is hereby nulled. Screw it, I'm not arguing with you over something this damned stupid. If you cannot admit the fact that you didn't win in your favorite suit, then fine, this battle never happened. If you want to claim victory, then argue, if not, keep your pride intact and only argue battles that you had a chance of winning. You had no time to perform your move. I WAS TOO DAMN CLOSE. Either accept that or forget the whole thing, Libra, because you have no victory here, and I'm not backing down from that position. There is just no damn way. You have your options, choose one, Libra. I'm done being civil with you...
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Post by Gundam Retal on Nov 28, 2003 21:09:19 GMT -5
As it punches, it ignites its thrusters to increase the damage of impact, and make the chance of survival nearly impossible* Notice the IT, Libra. How do I know which you meant? You could have meantthe buster shield, and have convieniently now changed it so that you meant the buster shield thrusters didn't fire and that the Deathscythe's thruster's didn't. You didn't make that clear, and so convientiently, it would appear that I misinterprated your move. But appearances can be decieving. You said your buster shield was 'punched' forward, then in this, you said as IT punched forward, which by the terminology implies the buster shield, nothng else. Very easy to be confused by. Looks more like you failed to clairify a post, then again, you might -as I noted above- decided to change the meaning of your post to accomodate your desire to finally beat me. But even so, the physics DO NOT back you up. You move still would not kill me Libra. I was too damn close, and I'm not admiting a defeat that wouldn't happen to any logical degree. This battle is hereby nulled. Screw it, I'm not arguing with you over something this damned stupid. If you cannot admit the fact that you didn't win in your favorite suit, then fine, this battle never happened. If you want to claim victory, then argue, if not, keep your pride intact and only argue battles that you had a chance of winning. You had no time to perform your move. I WAS TOO DAMN CLOSE. Either accept that or forget the whole thing, Libra, because you have no victory here, and I'm not backing down from that position. There is just no damn way. You have your options, choose one, Libra. I'm done being civil with you...
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Post by Libra on Nov 29, 2003 1:18:55 GMT -5
Notice the IT, Libra. How do I know which you meant? You could have meantthe buster shield, and have convieniently now changed it so that you meant the buster shield thrusters didn't fire and that the Deathscythe's thruster's didn't. You didn't make that clear, and so convientiently, it would appear that I misinterprated your move. But appearances can be decieving. You said your buster shield was 'punched' forward, then in this, you said as IT punched forward, which by the terminology implies the buster shield, nothng else. Very easy to be confused by. Looks more like you failed to clairify a post, then again, you might -as I noted above- decided to change the meaning of your post to accomodate your desire to finally beat me. But even so, the physics DO NOT back you up. You move still would not kill me Libra. I was too damn close, and I'm not admiting a defeat that wouldn't happen to any logical degree. This battle is hereby nulled. Screw it, I'm not arguing with you over something this damned stupid. If you cannot admit the fact that you didn't win in your favorite suit, then fine, this battle never happened. If you want to claim victory, then argue, if not, keep your pride intact and only argue battles that you had a chance of winning. You had no time to perform your move. I WAS TOO DAMN CLOSE. Either accept that or forget the whole thing, Libra, because you have no victory here, and I'm not backing down from that position. There is just no damn way. You have your options, choose one, Libra. I'm done being civil with you... I'm not backing down from this arguement. I said, "The Deathscythe places its left arm in a position to catch the right arm, and then raises its right arm and punches straight towards the cockpit, buster sheild open, blade emitting beautifully. As it punches, it ignites its thrusters to increase the damage of impact, and make the chance of survival nearly impossible." The Deathscythe was clearly punching, as stated in the sentence before that. And the second 'it' you choose to argue as a child would obviously state that it was the Deathscythe. I didn't change the subject. The buster shield cannot 'punch', but it can be launched. You are merely looking at it as a bunch of small bits, and not more of a whole. Had you taken into consideration the first sentence, it clarifies what is punching, and what is igniting its thrusters to increase the damage of impact, and thus why the chance of survival would nearly be impossible. Stand down from the throne you place yourself on. You are not a God, you are not a perfect fighting machine. You have your flaws as I do, and you lost this fight.
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Post by AiNoShini on Nov 29, 2003 1:18:56 GMT -5
Oh, will you shut UP? Retal, stop being a fucking asshole. After reviewing the fight, I pronounce lIbra the winner.
And, if you're done arguing with him, then say just that, then walk away. No one wants you to bitch, over anything.
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Post by Gundam Retal on Dec 1, 2003 15:27:50 GMT -5
Oh, will you shut UP? Retal, stop being a fucking asshole. After reviewing the fight, I pronounce lIbra the winner. And, if you're done arguing with him, then say just that, then walk away. No one wants you to bitch, over anything. Read your post again, then review which person here is the asshole, Ai. Oh, and in case it's not clear, I do not agree with your decision, and I fully intend to continue this argument until either I or Libra capitulate. But for now, I'm not rushing to snap a reply. I'm taking my time considering my reply, because Libra did not win. His attack was not sufficient to kill me on it's own, and that position is one I will not change. I allowed him to cripple my suit and finish me off in his next post, but he decided to argue my death in this post. Fine by me. I could have better uses for my time, but I'm not going to give up this fight because a mod rushed to judgement and played the mod power game. Which of us is sitting on a throne, Libra? You chose this arguement. Your move is not sufficient to kill me, an obvious fact, yet you argue about it. I have no problem losing to you in a move I could not avoid. But your move was not unavoidable, it was not unsurviveable. As long as you say it is, I will keep saying it is not. You couldn't just accept it and play it by ear. Read my last post, I was effectively crippled, and my countermove was not unavoidable either. You wanted to argue instead of finishing me off clearly and fairly in your next move, so here we are. I will prove to you that you are wrong Libra, even if I have to take forever to do it. You assume it was unsurviveable, and maybe in a physically unrealistic world, it was, but this is not said world. You began this arguement, and so it will be finished unless you back off. Good day.
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Post by †Zero† on Dec 1, 2003 15:43:42 GMT -5
From the sky a loud voice is heard that is litterally earth Shatter
[glow=darkred,2,300] RETAL!!!!!!!![/glow]
Floating down from the sky in Admin Mode he looks at Retal furiously
[glow=darkred,2,300]YOU DARE ARGUE WITH A MOD DECISION!!! I HERE BY SENTENCE YOU TO A THOUSAND BEATINGS WITH A DEAD CAT FISH BY A FAT HERMAPHRODITE WITH A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS HAIR CUT AND ONLY ONE NOSTRIL![/glow]
snapping his fingers the man that he had described appeared giving Retal his deserved punishment
[glow=darkred,2,300]Next time don't argue got it? i'm serious[/glow]
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Post by OpMaster on Dec 1, 2003 15:45:32 GMT -5
I was given the power from Zorak Brak and Afroman (aka Ai) to hit/tease Retal or anyone who messes in the RPG. ;D
Mod Edit by Zorak: It was to slap Retal when he is whining.
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Post by Libra on Dec 1, 2003 18:25:30 GMT -5
Well, Retal, it appears that it is obvious that you think you won, but that case may be only in a physically unrealistic world. The Mods have spoken. And I assume no Godly position, I assume no throne.
*as the Deathscythe in night stealth colors pulls its arm and buster shield out of the other Deathscythe, and I watched it lifelessly collapse to its knees. I reach down and take the beam scythe from it, and I rest it against my shoulder*
I assume you won't be needing this anymore...
*The Deathscythe turns and walks away from the battle scene as the DC Fire and Emergency squads asess the damage in the area and put out any fires that may have resulted from the swift and previous fight*
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Post by Gundam Retal on Dec 2, 2003 17:28:07 GMT -5
Well, Retal, it appears that it is obvious that you think you won, but that case may be only in a physically unrealistic world. The Mods have spoken. And I assume no Godly position, I assume no throne. OOC: So you say, your actions speak otherwise. *yawns out of total boredom* Yeah, whatever... Choose a better instrument next time, would ya?
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Post by AiNoShini on Dec 2, 2003 17:37:50 GMT -5
You'd better stop your arrogance. Right now. I wouldn't hesitate to ban you, but others are stopping me now. Hell, you're on almost everyone's bad side. So knock it off, stop being an ass, and try to be an enjoyable person. I'm sure you'll reply with some arrogant, punk ass comment, and you'll say something about how you don't care, about how this site is insignifigant. If it is, then just fucking leave, and don't cause us any problems. We don't have to put up with your childish bullshit.
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Post by Gundam Retal on Dec 2, 2003 18:14:46 GMT -5
You'd better stop your arrogance. Right now. I wouldn't hesitate to ban you, but others are stopping me now. Hell, you're on almost everyone's bad side. So knock it off, stop being an ass, and try to be an enjoyable person. I'm sure you'll reply with some arrogant, punk ass comment, and you'll say something about how you don't care, about how this site is insignifigant. If it is, then just fucking leave, and don't cause us any problems. We don't have to put up with your childish bullshit. Oh for God's sake... Why don't you move on already? You've made this bigger than it had to be. And your last post was uneccessary. If you want to ban me, then DO SO ALREADY! God damn, you do an aweful lot of posturing for an issue you weren't involved in from the start. Either do something or shut up, I'm tired of people handing out thinly disguised threats; or even clearly stated ones that they never do anything with. If you are not going to do anything about me, then say nothing. At least then I'd have nothing to reply to. I still don't agree with your decision, and I maintain that position, but screw it, no matter what I say, I can never go against a mod and win, so I'm not even going to bother to try anymore. If you are done making snide comments yourself, shut up and leave this topic, as well as myself, alone. You've made your damn point already. I was arguing with Libra, not you. So leave it alone already. I am done, satisfied?
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Post by †Zero† on Dec 2, 2003 18:31:22 GMT -5
my...
fucking...
god...
screams says nothing and lets Retal find out his own punishment
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