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Post by Zorak on Dec 14, 2003 17:07:42 GMT -5
Zorak throws his shield at Steel. It gets close, and then is hit by Steel's beam rifle shots. The 3 other missiles inside the shield go off, creating a large explosion likely engulfsing Steel. Zorak maneuevers around Steel's shots, one clipping his left leg but not doing much.
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Post by Steel on Dec 15, 2003 17:09:54 GMT -5
Zorak throws his shield at Steel. It gets close, and then is hit by Steel's beam rifle shots. The 3 other missiles inside the shield go off, creating a large explosion likely engulfsing Steel. Zorak maneuevers around Steel's shots, one clipping his left leg but not doing much. *As the explosion clears, the RP-01 is revieled with a burnt shield placed infront of it.... Then, it fires 2 blinder crackers from the multilauncher at the enemy GM before its starts charging head on to the GM with the booster's charging, and while doing this, it also withdraw's it's beam saber from the left leg....*
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Post by Zorak on Dec 17, 2003 22:03:05 GMT -5
Uh Steel, this isn't Wing. Shields don't get burned by Missiles. They get blown to piece, and the arms often are done so too.
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Post by NeoEllis on Dec 17, 2003 22:13:16 GMT -5
Not to mention that, considering the distance Zorak is at (and the likelyhood that he'll simply boost away himself), there's really no way the RP-01 could catch up to him.
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Post by Steel on Dec 18, 2003 5:16:32 GMT -5
Wait......
I was thinking this as in close range now, so that's why I stated my move as I did.
Also, the explosion ENGULFED my suit, so, no missles hit, but the shield would be burnt because of the heat from the explosion. GOD DAMNIT! WHY AM I ALWAYS BEING CALLED BEING A WINGER!
Also, because the way Zorak came behind me, and we are in the trees, it would HAVE to be close range, as in, nearly Dueling range for Zorak to be able to hit me or manouver without hitting a tree or ramming into a large stone or something.
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Post by Draco Starcloud on Dec 18, 2003 6:12:01 GMT -5
OOC: Just because a missile doesn't hit directly, doesn't mean the explosion can't hurt you (or in this case, your shield).
Example: Atoms bombs didn't directly hit each person killed or wounded in Hiroshima during World War II. They got affected by the explosion.
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Post by Gundam Retal on Dec 18, 2003 8:20:18 GMT -5
OOC: Just because a missile doesn't hit directly, doesn't mean the explosion can't hurt you (or in this case, your shield). This is true, especially at close ranges. This however, I can't see a point to. The power of the atom bomb (and later nukes) is much greater than that of the missiles that Zorak has used here. The damage of their blast radius would be much lower as a result of this. Personally, I would have gone with a more canon example, such as the Gera Doga/Jagd Doga grenades tearing through Jegan shields and arms, sometimes even torsos as well in CCA. Although I would say Van's shield is more than 'slightly toasty', I wouldn't say he recieved any great amount of damage. The shield, assumig Van were to use it alone to block the attack, would have held. It wouldn't be of much use afterwards, but it would have held. The missiles exploded at range, from inside Zorak's shield after getting struck by beam shots, apparently. Now if the missiles had launched and hit the shield at speed... Because everyone has to have a label made for them based upon incorrect assumptions of their character. It's the way life goes, Van. Also, if the explosion engulfed your suit, then your toso, arms, legs, and otherwise would be burnt as well, Van. That also means decreased functionality, because if heat damages your servos in your arm, torso, legs, or otherwise, then your suit's reaction speed and ROM (Range of Motion) are going to decrease. This in turn means that you're going to move slower and Zorak takes the advantage in the battle, leaving you at a handicap, no matter how slight.
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Post by Steel on Dec 18, 2003 8:45:12 GMT -5
Although, the brunt of the explosion would of been kept away from my suit itself, while the shield got toasted.
But, it also depends on how powerful the missles where that where in Zorak's shield aswell.
EDIT: Also, remember, that in episode 11 of 08th MS Team, Karen's and Sander's Gundams survived a powerful shockwave and their suits weren't toasted at all, except the shields.
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Post by Gundam Retal on Dec 18, 2003 13:11:39 GMT -5
Although, the brunt of the explosion would of been kept away from my suit itself, while the shield got toasted. When a wave like an explosion hits a barrier, it curves around the barrier, so it would still effect the remainder of your suit assuming that the explosion is powerful enough to survive that long. True, but also remember, three missiles detonated at once, which would generate more of an explosion than just one. However, it is still unlikely that their detonation would still do much damage to your suit, only to your shield, which really would be slagged no matter which way you cut it. Reinforced lunar titanium is rather strong, but even so. If memory serves me, you are referring to when the Apsalus fired it's MPC and blew up the mountain. That kind of shockwave was different, being more reliant on compressed air and flying debris caught up in the shockwave thyan heat, which missile detonations rely on. They are two different types of shockwaves.
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Post by Aegis on Dec 18, 2003 15:12:59 GMT -5
Also consider that the explosion still occured at a distance in that episode, so the damage is negligible compared to the missiles detonated on front of your face. In that case, combination shockwave, debris, heat, and close range (near point blank I would also assume) means shield will not only be gone, but one can expect the MS to at least take some damage due to the explosion engulfing the MS. Huge difference between the two situations. I doubt the arms would be blown off as Zorak is saying, but your MS should definitely be slowed down.
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Post by Steel on Dec 18, 2003 15:18:40 GMT -5
But you need to also remember Aegis, that in that 08th Team episode, the armour on the Hover Truck was getting very very very hot. Doesnt thats say something?
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Post by Aegis on Dec 18, 2003 15:21:01 GMT -5
Haven't seen MS Team for a while, but even that is easy to answer.
Yes . It tells me that the hovertruck is pathetically weak. Dude, you're comparing a mech vs a fodder truck. Big difference.
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Post by Steel on Dec 18, 2003 15:25:44 GMT -5
Haven't seen MS Team for a while, but even that is easy to answer. Yes . It tells me that the hovertruck is pathetically weak. Dude, you're comparing a mech vs a fodder truck. Big difference. Still, I even have more proof. Sanders was calling to Michel and Eledor while holding off the blast with his RX-79[G] and sounded to be struggerling or in some pain, such as, getting hot. Also, the shields where toasted aftre the shockwave.
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Post by Zorak on Dec 18, 2003 15:52:19 GMT -5
Shockwave is just that, a blast and outward wave of heat. More sound and movement of air than anything.
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Post by Aegis on Dec 18, 2003 16:16:11 GMT -5
I swear, you're still...
In that example, it is the huge force that is really the bigger factor. He's struggling because the force was tremendous to be pushed back. Because air is being pushed, yes there would be some heat acting against the shield, but due to distance, the shield being singed is the only thing you see. Here, this is a near POINT BLANK hit. We're talking FIRE and debris on point of impact in your face, and hence your shield is gone. Your mech should be singed at least.
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