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Post by Maverick on Feb 21, 2004 2:09:11 GMT -5
Raz, or should I say Raven, has been banned for his thinly disguised attack on MR, Rose, Ryo, myself, and other online relationships. Other than that, is his general asshole behavior, and being on this message board with two different personalities. He will be banned for a week, but if he gets all worked up over it, flaming people in chatrooms, or hacking Proboards. An email will be sent to Proboards, and his banning will be permenant, if he goes on a rampage, his time will be longer.
If he is not punished, he will continue his ways.
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Post by MegaRaptor on Feb 21, 2004 2:56:38 GMT -5
Basically, Raz is an ass, and his most recent behavior has been the proverbial 'last straw'. If he's willing to behave better, he will be allowed back in a week. If he isn't, good riddance.
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Post by Steel on Feb 21, 2004 4:32:03 GMT -5
This is the Raz who left here correct?
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Post by Maverick on Feb 21, 2004 4:52:02 GMT -5
This is the Raz who left here correct? Actually, it's the Raz that stayed here as Raven. |
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Post by Wag on Feb 21, 2004 7:09:31 GMT -5
Banned, unbanned, leaving, staying...whatever.
If "Raz" feels the need to return under his usual title or somthing more anonymous, it's not like he's going to make some dramatic personality change just to be around people. Deception can last a good while - don't get me wrong - but it's pointless if you ever want to really be a part of a message board.
I don't know who made this call, whether or not it was an executive decision or a mandate from the mods...neither do I care. My point is - Raz will be Raz. Accept him or reject him, but don't ban him just because he starts a little flame war or insults a few people. Yeah, I realize that's "deviant" or "wrong". Hell, I'm sure he's gotten pritty damn personal with more than a handful of members and mods on the boards. Is that so wrong[/b] that it can't be tolerated and written off as someone sitting behind a keyboard miles away? The message board ignore button is always so easy to hit - but it's our own ability to tolerate and be able to take criticism for what it's worth that's hard.
*Shrug* Hell, maybe I'm defending Raz, maybe I'm not. Yeah, I think he got childish / demented / out of line plenty of times, but does that mean that I'm going to just kick back and hit the ignore button? Consider the source...Consider ANY online source! It's only what you make it, and I feel like sometimes things like trash talk and drama get blown wayyy out of proportion.
To end this rant, I leave a Cyg quote....
"The MSPB's so trivial" - Cyg, AIM chat, upon having resolved a dispute over demodding Ai
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Post by Zorak on Feb 21, 2004 10:10:37 GMT -5
... So he got banned for having an opinion that Online Relationships are stupid? And for voicing it in the rant forum?
... Well, looking at Otaku and Fireholder, and Kurama and Lita, along with Li and Beo, I can't complain with Raz' verdict, really.
And didn't Raz delete his Raz name shortly after he made Raven?
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Post by Triyun on Feb 21, 2004 12:43:47 GMT -5
Mav it is a rant forum your supposed to be assholes in it. Your turning more into Koshy each time you do something like this.
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Post by AiNoShini on Feb 21, 2004 13:41:56 GMT -5
Agreed. An over reaction to someone's opinion. Their was no need to ban him for speaking his mind.
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Post by CygnusMkII on Feb 21, 2004 14:54:48 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings on this.
First of all, I agree that he should not have been banned over the Online Relationships thing. I can't say I'd ever like to engage in an online relationship -you can ask Viper and Sean about that- but I still honor them and those who have found someone they can love through the unconventional medium of the world wide web.
However, others do not. And it's not in my place to tell them what they can or cannot think about online relationships, just because I myself respect the act.
But... sometimes Raz can go a little far. That's why I think the ban should be strictly one week long. He needs to be shown that sometimes, even on the internet, you can insult people a little too much.
And as for the MSPB being trivial, it really is. I love this place with all my heart, and I would be very sad if it were to cease existing... but it's still trivial. It'll always be something on the side. Zorak has a life beyond the MSPB, Wag has a life beyond the MSPB, Mav has a life beyond the MSPB, Rose has a life beyond the MSPB, Aries has a life beyond the MSPB... I think you all agree with me on that.
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Post by Zorak on Feb 21, 2004 15:17:50 GMT -5
Cyg, did you actually read Raz' post?
I didn't even see an attack on it. All I saw in it was Raz basically saying that Gay Marriages have alot more worth and trueness than Online Relationships.
Plus it was the Rant forum. I thought it was "Anything goes"?
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Post by Maverick on Feb 21, 2004 15:24:24 GMT -5
No Triyun, Koshy would only ban someone for attacking his authority, Raz attacked me, along with MR, Rose, Ryo, and others, personally.
Zorak, Tymo is with Vel, and they have an offline relationship. Get it right.
Raz is only going to get worse, and he has been getting worse, I don't see why any of you think he's cool.
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Post by Libra on Feb 21, 2004 15:26:37 GMT -5
Yeah, but gay marriages are looked down on in the general public, and a heated topic in the judicial news. And it's no secret that Mav isn't Raz's favorite person...
And hiding out here as Raven is one thing that I can't understand. No point in acting like a newb or deleting your account to try to change yourself. What's the point in it? Try to get people to look at you more differently? Your old usual ways will come out soon enough, correct?
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Post by Wag on Feb 21, 2004 15:57:24 GMT -5
Raz is only going to get worse, and he has been getting worse, I don't see why any of you think he's cool. That's quite a judgement call Mav, but you're entitled to your opinion like everyone. Do I think Raz is "Cool"? Maybe, maybe not...but the point isn't whether I think he's cool or not, the point is that Raz's scenario sets a precident on how things like this will be handled in the future. Not just by you, but by everyone - mods and members. If people can't shrug somthing like this off, I can only fathom what will happen when the REAL trolls / flamers ever hit this board... |
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Post by MegaRaptor on Feb 21, 2004 15:57:38 GMT -5
You people all miss a key point. Even though this is just the net, we have rules.
Raz has REPEATEDLY violated rules, ignored mods and admins and more or less acted like a jackass that no one in their right minds could possibly want to be around.
If it had just been some newb making a comment like that, I wouldn't care. But there have been MULTIPLE instances with Raz off the site involving that topic, and he's already pushed my own buttons to the breaking point.
His comment wasn't the reason he was banned, merely the twig that broke the camel's back, so to speak.
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Post by Zorak on Feb 21, 2004 16:10:57 GMT -5
Sorry, Mav, I meant Kurama.
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