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Post by Angel Aries on Apr 27, 2004 18:31:46 GMT -5
If MR had done this, you wouldn't hesitate to have his head on a stick. Same with Carl, even Zorak back in the day.
It's because she's an old schooler, isn't it? Can't bear to part with the past?
That can sound patronizing up there. Believe Aries when he says that he doesn't mean it that way.
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Post by Wag on Apr 27, 2004 18:31:49 GMT -5
A simple demoting would have done, but no, you people want blood, and damnit, by the end of the day, you might. Already happened.
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Post by Maverick on Apr 27, 2004 18:36:30 GMT -5
If MR had done this, you wouldn't hesitate to have his head on a stick. Same with Carl, even Zorak back in the day. It's because she's an old schooler, isn't it? Can't bear to part with the past? That can sound patronizing up there. Believe Aries when he says that he doesn't mean it that way. No I wouldn't have any of them with their heads on sticks. I could have had Carl's head on a stick for anything he's done himself in the past, I could have had Raz banned for all his dumbass posts, but no.
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Post by Wag on Apr 27, 2004 18:38:41 GMT -5
No I wouldn't have any of them with their heads on sticks. I could have had Carl's head on a stick for anything he's done himself in the past, I could have had Raz banned for all his dumbass posts, but no. When you put it like that, you could have done anything you wanted - always.
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Post by † Raz Version 3.5 † on Apr 27, 2004 18:39:05 GMT -5
No I wouldn't have any of them with their heads on sticks. I could have had Carl's head on a stick for anything he's done himself in the past, I could have had Raz banned for all his dumbass posts, but no. My posts only seem 'dumbass' to the guy sitting behind the keyboard, Mav. A few people find my stuff thought provoking, but then again, it is all based around the person's viewpoint.
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Post by Kei-Kun Shadow on Apr 27, 2004 19:14:36 GMT -5
That really is a shame what one person would do all cause she couldnt stand to see new people i really pity her in a way. I may be quite new in comparison to all of you but even i have a sense of being and can appreciate all within these parameters such as all the mods all the newbs all the old schoolers and all the newer old schoolers. It takes a serious tolerance level that she must not have had to take all the stupid pranks people pull on a daily basis.
I hope in her next life she come back as a sociable creature whom doesnt have the heart to be as such and do as such as she hath done today. my friend retal only told me this afternoon when he showed up that someone went on a rampage and deleted most of the topics in this board. If you cant get them up and running then i guess all is lost but i dont blame any of you she was at fault for being so angry and hostile.
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Post by Gredival on Apr 27, 2004 19:43:59 GMT -5
Many of you may know me, or may have heard of me. I'm that evil dictator guy that those awful stories some of the "veterans" here may have passed down. Now well it's your choice to listen to what I have to say or not, now knowing who I am and how likely it is I'm lying Anyhoo, I doubt anyone did anything on purpose to cause this. Pointing fingers solves absolutely nothing. You're being children about this by insulting each other and blaming each other. I have no idea of the true gravity of what Li has done - true enough. But put it all in smegging perspective here people. They are boards. Threads. Bytes of data. Most of the recent stuff is probably recoverable via your caches. I'm not condoning what she did - it's a grave abuse of powers given to staff. But I think you all need to realize something here. It isn't your board. Really Mav's trying to run things democratically, and I give him props. But really you all need to realize this. Boards. Are. Tyrannies. It is based in the nature of the system. You have a website administrator that rules over all. If you don't like it. There's your door. You may be right, and he may be wrong. But guess what? When the sun sets down, who's stuck outside? Moreover instead of blindly accusing your admin you might profit from opening discussion about this. There's more to a situation than who to blame. Did ANY OF YOU give a thought to why she would do something like this? Instead of just labeling her an immature and irresponsible snot. The fact is she's a person. That entails emotions. Moods. Can any of you guess at her mental psyche at this time. It's pretty damn shattered. So maybe instead of calling out for BLOOD AND MUTINY maybe you should create a HEALTHY forum of discussion between your grievances and the people you are complaining about. And don't think I'm letting the admin off either. Mav perhaps it would be best to explain why in this situation you still don't think it's necessary to remove her from the boards? Especially to the people who devote their own time and effort to help you run the boards, even if the matter involves two of your own against each other. Maybe you wouldn't have driven away your members and part of your staff if you had consulted them. True it's a dictatorship and it's your choice. But was it necessary to strip part of your staff of any essential power he has by revoking his decisions without consultation? And as far as what started it all... really, elitism is bad. Newbies = good. Everyone was a newbie. Veteran status means nothing. You can still be dumb as bricks. However... people have a right to be elitist. It's much more effective to criticize in a nice way and try motivate change, then to snap and such. And wow that took a smegging long time to write so I sincerely do hope no one deletes this. Adeiu~
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Post by Malakym on Apr 27, 2004 19:47:19 GMT -5
Oh my God! Half the forum is gone! That bitch!
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Post by †Zero† on Apr 27, 2004 20:00:18 GMT -5
...Greddy....remember me?....probably not under this name....Zero....Zero Redstar fully....hell i wasn't that big back at G.Com and AX....but i was there....and i'm here now....
...yes....her mental psyche is shattered...hell the peices are shattered and burning for christ sakes....i know damn well why she did it....and damn well why she asked me not to rebuild....
But the fact of the matter is...i am under Mav....and i have to run shit by him....but in any sort of system it kinda boils down to this
Government via Internet = Pandora's Box with a thorny lid
odd metaphor....but you see.....a system over the internet is hard enough to keep under control....and if it can be....then well the outcome is....hell anything under the sun and moon
many of the mods aren't around at the moment....and as for admin i think its just me and mav....so its the members who are mutinizing as you say....i just want to rebuild....this place is all i have left really...i've failed my friends...family....people in general....this is the only place i have left to fight for....
i said a little while back here that the MSPB was dead....well...it is really....this isn't the "Mobile Suit Pilot Bar" anymore....its somthing else....it isn't a bad thing really, but it can be if we give up now....i just want to rebuild i doin't want to have nothing....i'm not as strong as you or Li....
....and Greddy?....i know your close to her....well i know you talk to her at least....so if you do read this....do appologize to her for me....because she's signed off (or blocked) me on AIM after i let my tounge go and now...well...i didn't mean for her to go...
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Post by Wag on Apr 27, 2004 20:09:21 GMT -5
I will seriously, seriously try not to overreact.
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Holy.
Fucking.
Shit.[/b]
Of all people.
To come on this board.
And tell us what our problems are...
I wouldn't care if you were Ghandi, Martin Luther King and Billy Grahm rolled all into one big fat fucking politically correct person who was soley responsible for curing cancer Gred, of ALL people, why - are - you - here?
No, really. What are you doing? I'd like to know. Just humor me. If you've come to talk on Li's behalf, then you've done a poor job.
You come and tell us that boards are tyrannies? You're preaching to the FUCKING chior!! What the fuck have I been SPOUTING ever since this fucking ANGST-FEST started?! THAT IT'S POINTLESS. THAT IT IS COMPUTER DATA. THAT IT IS INTANGIBLE. You think just because you come over from AX, where you quite literally drove the MSPB from[/i], that the people here are supposed to respect or even give heed to your opinion?
WHY?!
I'm not trying to blast you here Gred, but seriously, what the fuck are you thinking?![/b]. The person solely responsible for the quote "Die bar, die." has now appeared to show us the light? No, I think not.
Bottom line:
Do not preach to others, especially those you've fucked over in the past, how to run their message board.
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Post by Maverick on Apr 27, 2004 20:22:07 GMT -5
Well Greddy, if someone did, then all I would have to do is quote it, because I saved it to Notepad.
First I have to note that Sab (Malakym) hasn't really changed after all the drama she had gone through with Fireball.
But, yes I should have talked to MR about the unbanning, but, at the time I was more or less seeing red about the whole situation, and I am sick to my stomache about how some members, and former members reacted. Yes, this is the internet, but we should still consider the other members as people, not some MB AI there for abuse.
As for the veteran status, well, I have been at certain mods' throats in what used to be Mod HQ, and they were talking about how Veterans shouldn't be punished for their misbehavior for them being here the longest. I disagreed, for the most part, I had shown in the "Good Old Bar" Thread that showing special treatment to the Veterans was a bad enough idea.
Threads, posts, forums, and entire categories can be remade, but when it comes to people? You can't replace them.
I was going to type out a long apology, but I won't, because that will only fuel more people who are out for blood. It would only further their complaints, and their outbursts.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Apr 27, 2004 22:37:01 GMT -5
Many of you may know me, or may have heard of me. I'm that evil dictator guy that those awful stories some of the "veterans" here may have passed down. Now well it's your choice to listen to what I have to say or not, now knowing who I am and how likely it is I'm lying Anyhoo, I doubt anyone did anything on purpose to cause this. Pointing fingers solves absolutely nothing. You're being children about this by insulting each other and blaming each other. I have no idea of the true gravity of what Li has done - true enough. But put it all in smegging perspective here people. They are boards. Threads. Bytes of data. Most of the recent stuff is probably recoverable via your caches. I'm not condoning what she did - it's a grave abuse of powers given to staff. But I think you all need to realize something here. It isn't your board. Really Mav's trying to run things democratically, and I give him props. But really you all need to realize this. Boards. Are. Tyrannies. It is based in the nature of the system. You have a website administrator that rules over all. If you don't like it. There's your door. You may be right, and he may be wrong. But guess what? When the sun sets down, who's stuck outside? Moreover instead of blindly accusing your admin you might profit from opening discussion about this. There's more to a situation than who to blame. Did ANY OF YOU give a thought to why she would do something like this? Instead of just labeling her an immature and irresponsible snot. The fact is she's a person. That entails emotions. Moods. Can any of you guess at her mental psyche at this time. It's pretty damn shattered. So maybe instead of calling out for BLOOD AND MUTINY maybe you should create a HEALTHY forum of discussion between your grievances and the people you are complaining about. And don't think I'm letting the admin off either. Mav perhaps it would be best to explain why in this situation you still don't think it's necessary to remove her from the boards? Especially to the people who devote their own time and effort to help you run the boards, even if the matter involves two of your own against each other. Maybe you wouldn't have driven away your members and part of your staff if you had consulted them. True it's a dictatorship and it's your choice. But was it necessary to strip part of your staff of any essential power he has by revoking his decisions without consultation? And as far as what started it all... really, elitism is bad. Newbies = good. Everyone was a newbie. Veteran status means nothing. You can still be dumb as bricks. However... people have a right to be elitist. It's much more effective to criticize in a nice way and try motivate change, then to snap and such. And wow that took a smegging long time to write so I sincerely do hope no one deletes this. Adeiu~ My feelings in a nutshell: Gredival, no doubt you've been monitoring and awaiting this moment. I can understand that, seeing how, according to everyone, you've had it in for the place and everyone in it since day 1. Now, I would like to know, why is it that you "hate" the MSPB so much? It's nothing personal, I'm just very curious. Indeed, a board is just bytes of data. However, some people feel very strongly about their boards. No doubt that if this same thing happened at AX, you'd be screaming bloddy murder. Li felt strongly enough that she deleted half of the boards accounts, forums, and posts. In some aspects, I do side with her, but the fact is, she went over the top. People can be displeased with that. People have been banned from AX and G.com for much less then what was done here. (Although, in light of these recent events, that's not saying much.) The fact is, we just happen to be another message board on the countless numbers of bytes in cyber space. We're no competition to AX, and, in fact, some here are active posters there. There is absolutely no reason to come in here, and demean everyone with your "higher-than-thou" attitude. Don't hate something because it exists, hate it because of what it does. So far, this place has not done anything to you. Therefore, your hate is unfounded and totally childish. Would you go to Gundamwatch/Animemech and demean everyone there? Then, why pick on this place? Because it's small? There are boards with half the members we once had. And, no doubt, AX and G.com started out very small, too. Now, in the event that Li called you here on your behalf, tell her that I (somewhat) sympathize with her. I didn't totally like where the Bar was headed, either. But, there are other ways to go about it then going on a rampage. As you said, Gredival, "There's the door..." Tell Li that I'm sorry if I've done anything as well, and also tell her that my brother sends his apologies as well. She'll know who I mean. (Yes, that was one Hell of a nutshell, but if I hadn't "watered-down", it would have been even longer.)
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Post by Eurasiase on Apr 28, 2004 0:01:47 GMT -5
Oh my God! Half the forum is gone! That bitch! No really, dear. I just thought it was a minor technical difficulty caused by a recent n00b. ' I don't care whether he wishes to send us to hell or not. He stated an opinion, and like ALL opinions, it should be considered and compared to the rest. Like most opinions, it might contain valuable key points. Anyway. Outrage, spilled blood, disaster. You know what happens later on in history after such events? Change, reconstruction, reforms, etc. As far as I know (which is not much so I'm open to severe criticism and mockery), this place was going to hell anyway. It's all up to you guys/us to how this new 'phase' will go off. It'd be nice if ppl were like water. A little disturbance here, a little disturbance there, but the water still flows. Hm, I'm not Li, but there could be a significance in what threads/sections she deleted.
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Post by Steel on Apr 28, 2004 10:18:47 GMT -5
is so shocked, he doesn't know what to say.
EDIT: OH MY FUCKING GOD! She or...perhaps a hacker (as proboards is being plauged by one according to it's support forums) deleted all the newer people aswell as some vets!
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Post by Velesia on Apr 28, 2004 11:34:08 GMT -5
When did that happen? Jesus... I'd lay money that it was her... unless it just happened whereupon it couldn't have been her, right? Or am I just confusing myself? I heard from a couple places that she had been deleting other peoples' accounts, and from the themes of her tirade that action (the newbs and vets) would make too much sense.
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