Macabre
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Post by Macabre on Apr 28, 2004 14:19:05 GMT -5
It was her. She did it yesterday, same time that she decided to delete the rest of the boards.
Ah well, no use crying over it. It'll just give her a reason to gloat. Or laugh.
*snaps a nearby person's neck*
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Not so lazy Viper
GM III
Is it weird that the churh i go to is called MPB O.o
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Post by Not so lazy Viper on Apr 28, 2004 14:21:48 GMT -5
Oh my God! Half the forum is gone! That bitch! *slaps Mal across the room* You have no idea how Li feels. Li is my friend and always will be, and I won't let anyone call her a bitch.
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Post by Squall01 on Apr 28, 2004 15:24:43 GMT -5
well damn....normaly I dont cus but I cant think of anything to say but damn
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Post by Gredival on Apr 28, 2004 17:46:25 GMT -5
Well I just had to council a broken girl. Now I don't agree with what she did but I hoped I could snap some sense into you, who should all be MUCH closer friends to her than I, to talk with her.
[/i], that the people here are supposed to respect or even give heed to your opinion?[/quote]
See above, the preach was kind of to knock you to your senses.
And since you seem to have twisted your memory the bar was closed. Not by me. You all got mad and tried to get other mods to override the one who closed the bar. I offered you all the chance to open it at another part of the boards. You said I had to chose - support my fellow mod or support you. Thus "Die bar, die" came into being. No skin off my back.
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I don't give a fucking flip how you run the boards. I could care less if these actions resulted in mass exodus. The reason I came here is because after I talked with a girl who said she was leaving to go kill herself, I needed to see why she would do that.
My advice to Mav were my personal thoughts. This incident resulted in the loss of one of his staff. I think he's approaching the situation from the wrong perspective.
Wag I don't care if you don't want to here anything I want to say. So is your right. Hate me if you want. Lots of people do. I would prefer if everyone could see my side, but that's life right?
Amazing thing is... I just joined yesterday. I had to go to Yahoo to find the address to the board. I've not been this ominous lurking figure plotting against you. I bet many people here think of me as that petty, but usually if I'm going to be an asshole I don't persist in it to that extreme.
I don't hate the bar. I don't hate everyone in it. I dislike a few certain people here. Somewhat because they made my life as administration elsewhere particularly hard. Especially because they have a tendancy to villainize me and such and never once did they actually confront me about their problems. But I never, contrary to some people, was "out for the bar". Die bar, die was my response to an ultimatum I was presented. Supporting my fellow administration, which I half agreed with, or sticking up for the bar, which I was never a part of, and labelling myself a rogue mod because some people wouldn't settle to have the bar in our offtopic forum vs. the RP forum.
The choice was easy for me.
What I was trying to do was put everything in perspective. People at calm and safe levels of stress don't do what Li did. And I believed she must have had SOME friends here. I was trying to appeal to their senses and get them to help Li.
What she wanted of me was beyond what I could provide. She's not one of my best friends; we've disagreed a lot about things in the past. I could not be a pillar of support for her.
I'm trying to put everything in perspective for all of you. I have no doubt there'd be reprecussions for a moderator who did what Li did here at AX. I'm not justifying what she was doing.
The point I was trying to get accross though is you're complaining Maverick unbanned her without a thought to recognize that she was a person. An extremely depressed and fragile person. Someone that many of you know (much better than me) and should help.
A person who's blood you should not cry out for, at least not now.
If someone I knew from Gundamwatch was planning to slit their wrists out of desperation for actions that transpired there, I hope I would take similar action to reach someone there capable of stoping the party.
No I didn't wait in the shadows to come laugh at you all. I put down my new book that had arrived from Amazon and came here to try get accross to some of you the need to reconcile with her before you had much more on your conscience than banning her.
Whether you believe that I am philanthropic or not is up to you. I don't give a shit.
Will I try get across to Li (if I can reach her) that a bunch of you are sorry, yes.
What do I expect you to do? Stop crying for blood and go talk to your friend.
Everyone has a bad day or powertrip. She just had one MUCH worse than most people.
She might even be spazzing out as much as me *rolls eyes*
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Post by Wag on Apr 28, 2004 18:18:29 GMT -5
I never said I'd ever post a goodbye letter, and I won't. This MSPB is in ruins. A new one lives on. Join if you want - stay here if you want. It doesn't matter. Those of us who have moved on will likely never turn back. I know I won't.
And Gred...
I don't care what you have to say, and I'm glad you understand that. If Li was or even still is truely going to kill herself, then she needs serious, serious help. No one here can be held responsible for that. She alone made the decision to do what she did, and no one is putting a gun to her head or a knife to her wrist. You say you came to knock us into our senses, but those who had their senses are already gone. I really don't care whether you had a hand or not in the old bar...I just didn't like your attitude back then, and I still don't like it now.
I never cried for Li's blood or banning and I still don't. I cried for the blood of the MSPB. This MSPB. And now that it's in ashes, there's nothing left. You say you needed to see why Li wanted to kill herself - maybe you should have talked to her. I posted my rant on how "The MSPB is so trivial" long, long before any of this came about. I denounced the drama and emotional stress people correlated with the bar, yet it seemed my words went unheeded. Regardless, it's over now. So I'll let it be over.
Dissect this post. Quote it sentance by sentance and make your reply. I don't care. We both know each other's feelings. I have nothing to say to you anymore.
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Nowhere Man
GM III
"To call a man my friend, he must be equal to me in all regards." - Griffith, Berserk
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Post by Nowhere Man on Apr 28, 2004 18:20:48 GMT -5
I understand your position, Gredival. I also understand that you are not quite the tyrant that you were made out to be. I apologize if I have offended you.
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Post by Gredival on Apr 28, 2004 18:26:04 GMT -5
You say you needed to see why Li wanted to kill herself - maybe you should have talked to her. I don't care. We both know each other's feelings. I have nothing to say to you anymore. I did. I wanted to get her help, but I talk to her maybe once a month. Maybe I thought perhaps I could get someone here who knows her better. Someone who could convince her to seek help or someone to stick by her like she wanted. No I doubt you know mine. I don't hate you (like I think you think... if that makes sense). I don't think the way you severed our former friendship and relations was the wisest or most reasonable course of action to be sure. But the thing is with me, my temper burns hot but dies quickly. I'm kinda unsure about how you feel about me. I know you hated me when you left. That's a given. In a chat's a few months ago you were a tad calmer. You seem rather riled up now that I've appeared here. But those are just observations. Not knowledge.
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Post by CygnusMkII on Apr 28, 2004 18:39:11 GMT -5
Greddy, you're right about a lot of what you've said. But it isn't just about Li. A lot has built up. And you wouldn't undertand because these are your only posts at this place.
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Mikaru
GM III
Transformer Extraordinaire
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Post by Mikaru on Apr 28, 2004 18:51:05 GMT -5
I did. I wanted to get her help, but I talk to her maybe once a month. Maybe I thought perhaps I could get someone here who knows her better. Someone who could convince her to seek help or someone to stick by her like she wanted. Here's a crazy idea. Why not instead of finding someone at this board to talk to her, how about HER FAMILY whom probably see her EVERYDAY! Or her real life friends that she sees more often then you. If you really thought she was suicidal, you would of done something about it instead of sitting on your ass like you did. If she made it that obvious that she was suicidal to you, then there's no doubt that it was a cry for help. Gred, you say that we all share blame for this, though its pretty obvious that she just wanted to hurt us. Ok, I think I'll start an "Old School" Bar thread for the "vets" only, and not put a password on it, or making it explicitly clear that I don't want non-list people in there, letting "newbs" think that it's ok to post in there. Way to be passive agressive there, don't you think? I can see why the two of you are good friends, cause you're made for each other as you like to place the blame on everyone else except yourselves. Last note to Gred: Don't even act like you're a friend of this board. If you thought that she might of done something like this to the board, then you would of told us ahead of time, before it was too late.
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Post by NeoEllis on Apr 28, 2004 19:33:29 GMT -5
This will most likely be my last post on the old MSPB, all I can say is: You fucked up Maverick, you fucked up big time.
And now, in anticipation of your insight into the future.
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Post by Gredival on Apr 28, 2004 21:10:17 GMT -5
Here's a crazy idea. Why not instead of finding someone at this board to talk to her, how about HER FAMILY whom probably see her EVERYDAY! Or her real life friends that she sees more often then you. If you really thought she was suicidal, you would of done something about it instead of sitting on your ass like you did. If she made it that obvious that she was suicidal to you, then there's no doubt that it was a cry for help. You know why I came here? I don't know her family, her phone number, address, etc. This was the most likely place to find someone who knew it, because I recall she had relationships with some here. I already said I don't condone her actions. I just wanted to point out you're all neglecting to see past anything else. And since when do you know me well enough to say I avoid blame? Newsflash: I joined AFTER the incident. I only found out AFTER when Li told me. It's not as if she came to me before this and was like "Oh Gred I'm going to screw over the MSPB?" and I was like "Okay go ahead." Anyway this will probably be the last you'll hear from me. I hope if anyone here among you can you'll take pity and help the poor girl.
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Not so lazy Viper
GM III
Is it weird that the churh i go to is called MPB O.o
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Post by Not so lazy Viper on Apr 28, 2004 21:37:42 GMT -5
This will most likely be my last post on the old MSPB, all I can say is: You fucked up Maverick, you fucked up big time.And now, in anticipation of your insight into the future.No Ellis, we all fucked up. Don't pin the blame on Mav or anyone else. We all could have handled this better, and maybe Li would still be here, and the bar would still be here. All Li wanted was a place where she could relive old memories, and you guys ripped it apart. And I know how she feels. When Li made the old bar, i was able to live for a brief moment in time, the old memories of the bar. This place has been here when i was going through rough times, and it's saddens me to see all this shit happen, but I'm not going to blame mav or anyone person for it.
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Post by † Raz Version 3.5 † on Apr 28, 2004 21:41:50 GMT -5
Just another reason why friends don't make good Admins.
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Post by Eurasiase on Apr 29, 2004 0:06:38 GMT -5
*Bitchslaps Ellis* Of all things, Ellis.
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Post by Gojira on Apr 29, 2004 8:48:32 GMT -5
What's done is done. I don't blame MegaRaptor for banning Li. I would have done the same, but bring it by Mav first. Look, Li destroyed the bar. Taking out her frustration on something many others enjoy is wrong. She needed to be disciplined. But now that I look at it, this could be a blessing in disguise. The bar is in ruins, but it is coming back.
Maybe deleting half of the boards could be a good thing. It allows us to restart something fresh and new. I don't know, maybe putting the peices back together could bring the bar* back together. This is probably just wishful thinking, but hopefully it isn't.
*I've think of the bar as the people, not the site.
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